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Louisville, Ky. — Bob Baffert was a big-shot quarter horse trainer when he took his cowboy hat and scuffed boots to the high-class world of thoroughbred racing. He gave himself three years to make a splash. After a slow start and some embarrassing losses, he found his footing.

Now the Hall of Famer is saddling the top two favorites for the Kentucky Derby. Heady stuff for the kid who grew up watching the race on television in his border hometown of Nogales, Arizona.

"Destiny," he jokingly proclaimed Thursday outside his cement-block barn at Churchill Downs.

Baffert has early 5-2 favorite American Pharoah and 3-1 second choice Dortmund in what some believe is the strongest 1-2 punch since trainer Ben Jones won with Citation and finished second with Coaltown in 1948.

"I've got (Jameis) Winston and (Marcus) Mariota in my barn," Baffert said, referencing the likely top two picks in the NFL draft. "I'd love to see them 1-2 turning for home and then see what they're made of."

He experienced that scenario in 1998, when Real Quiet and Indian Charlie were 1-2 headed for home. Real Quiet won, but Victory Gallop broke up a Baffert exacta; Indian Charlie finished third.

It was the second of Baffert's three Derby victories. He had two firsts and a second in the first three years he entered 19 years ago; his last victory was with War Emblem in 2002.

"I thought, 'This is fun, this is easy,'" the white-haired, 62-year-old trainer said. "When you get older, you start appreciating it more and you realize, 'Boy, this is really tough.'"

Quite a difference from his humble beginnings, when he started with one horse. His brothers and a friend cheered him on at his first few races in Southern California. Baffert's horse was badly beaten and they declined his invitation to come back again.

Baffert didn't apprentice under an established thoroughbred trainer, the usual preparation before going out on your own.

"I had to learn by trial and error, which most of it was error," he said. "It was really good for me, though, because it really made me work much harder and it's kept me hungry all these years."

Baffert is as eager as everyone else to see which is better: American Pharoah or Dortmund. American Pharoah brings a four-race winning streak into the 141st Derby; Dortmund is 6-0

"Until they get with all the other horses, you just don't know what you have," Baffert said.

American Pharoah has glided over the Churchill Downs strip since arriving direct from an eight-length win in the Arkansas Derby.

"We know that Pharoah is a brilliant horse," the trainer said.

Dortmund has taken a better liking to Churchill's dirt surface than his home track at Santa Anita in California. He's unusually tall (standing 17 hands or nearly 5 feet, 8 inches) and weighs 1,280 pounds.

"He's really, really quick," Baffert said. "He's light on his feet for a big horse."

American Pharoah, by comparison, is just over 16 hands and weighs 1,170.

Both colts go into the 11/4-mile Derby with big targets on their backs.

"Anytime Bob Baffert has a couple of Kentucky Derby horses, you have to give them a lot of respect," said rival trainer Todd Pletcher, who will saddle three horses including 8-1 third choice Carpe Diem. "He's certainly tremendous at getting them there and having them perform well."

Yet Baffert knows the sting of losing, too.

He thought he had a couple of aces in 2001, with 9-5 favorite Point Given and third choice Congaree. But Point Given, who went on to win Horse of the Year, finished fifth and Congaree third.

"The owners, they can dream in Technicolor," he said. "I dream in black and white. I don't dare get too ahead of myself."

Baffert visited his first Derby winner, Silver Charm, this week and got teary thinking about his late parents and several of his former clients who provided him with talented horses before they died, too.

"It's very emotional," he said. "I've become a big baby."

Frammento joins field

Stanford has been scratched from the Derby, moving Frammento into the 20-horse field for Saturday's race.

Trainer Todd Pletcher said Stanford would run in either the Peter Pan at Belmont Park on May 9 or the Preakness on May 16.

Trainer Todd Pletcher said Thursday that 30-1 shot Stanford would skip the Derby and run in a future race.

That leaves Pletcher with three entries: Carpe Diem, the 8-1 third choice; 12-1 Materiality; and 30-1 Itsaknockout.

Frammento is trained by Hall of Famer Nick Zito, a two-time Derby winner, and will be ridden by Corey Nakatani.

All horses outside of Stanford's assigned No. 11 post will move inside one position, meaning 5-2 favorite American Pharoah will now leave from post No. 17; Frammento will break from the No. 20 spot.

The Oaks

Stellar Wind will be looking for a fourth straight victory when the 7-2 favorite takes on 13 rivals in Friday's $1 million Kentucky Oaks, the top 3-year-old race for fillies run the day before the Derby.

The filly trained by John Sadler has won both starts this year by a combined eight lengths and will be ridden by Victor Espinoza, who will be aboard favorite American Pharoah in the Derby. Stellar Wind won the Santa Anita Oaks in her last start.

The field is a tough one that includes Condo Commando, who has won five of six starts, and I'm a Chatterbox, unbeaten in three starts this year. They are co-second choices at 4-1.

Lovely Maria is 5-1 with two wins in three starts, including the Ashland on April 4.

Post time for the 11/8-mile Oaks is set for 5:49 p.m.

The field features six Grade 1 race winners.

141st Run for the Roses

Post time: 6:34 p.m. Saturday, Churchill Downs, Louisville, Ky.

TV: NBCSN — Friday: Kentucky Oaks, etc. (12:30-6 p.m.). Saturday, Derby prep (noon-4 p.m.). NBC — Saturday: Kentucky Derby (4-7:30 p.m.).

Purse: $2,203,800 (if 20 start; first, $1,443,800) Distance: 11/4 miles

The field

Horse

Jockey

Trainer

Odds

1. Ocho Ocho Ocho

Trujillo

Cassidy

50-1

2. Carpe Diem

Velazquez

Pletcher

8-1

3. Materiality

Castellano

Pletcher

12-1

4. Tencendur

Franco

Weaver

30-1

5. Danzig Moon

Leparoux

Casse

30-1

6. Mubtaahij

Soumillon

de Kock

20-1

7. El Kabeir

Borel

Terranova

30-1

8. Dortmund

Garcia

Baffert

3-1

9. Bolo

Bejarano

Gaines

30-1

10. Firing Line

Stevens

Callaghan

12-1

11. International Star

Mena

Maker

20-1

12. Itsaknockout

Saez

Pletcher

30-1

13. Keen Ice

Desormeaux

Romans

50-1

14. Frosted

Rosario

McLaughlin

15-1

15. War Story

Talamo

Amoss

50-1

16. Mr. Z

Vazquez

Lukas

50-1

17. American Pharoah

Espinoza

Baffert

5-2

18. Upstart

Ortiz

Violette Jr.

15-1

19. Far Right

Smith

Monquette

30-1

20. Frammento

Nakatani

Zito

50-1

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